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Post by aatuylva on Feb 13, 2011 12:50:45 GMT -5
Arctic/Antarctic research station International teams of course, based on the power-blocs or something, dunno. I'm making a sign-up, but like with my last one, I will not post the sign up if no one posts in here wanting to do it. So, anyone think they might bother to participate in it at all?
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Holmbergsvania
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Post by Holmbergsvania on Feb 13, 2011 12:55:44 GMT -5
I will happily participate!
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Post by aatuylva on Feb 13, 2011 16:38:25 GMT -5
Two people does not this kind of thing make :\ I suppose after a couple of days, if no one else wants in, I can just post the thread and have it open only to NEDC members since no one else will post in it anyway.
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Post by Kingdoms of Cal on Feb 13, 2011 18:29:42 GMT -5
Well the Antarctic being in the south...well you could guarantee we would be interested in our back yard ;-P
As for the Arctic...well as we keep subs up under the ice pack up there...we would be interested as obviously they are doing science up there....honest.
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Post by The Anean Star Empire on Feb 13, 2011 18:40:26 GMT -5
This could be fun, if only to cause another culture clash.
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Post by aatuylva on Feb 13, 2011 19:24:28 GMT -5
Coolios. I'm going to finish up the sign-up then :3
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Post by Killer Zoids on Feb 14, 2011 0:20:59 GMT -5
So what exactly would the point of this thing be? Do you have topics or a way to steer it or is this some attempt to have a military presence down south to harass us?
And antarctic.. there isn't a land mass down there, and I'd prefer to keep it that way. Why not just arctic? Its already evident there is pant loads of ice in the far north, and plenty of unclaimed wasteland up there.
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Post by miokalia on Feb 14, 2011 1:46:17 GMT -5
Per Zagckza Treaty, circa 1951:
"Under no circumstances will a militarization of the south pole be tolerated except by an allied force with the permission of the Secretary Tajir or the Apparateur."
Item 218: Continuation of the Kolvanhage Doctrine of 1820
If so much as a gun goes off down there: there will be a military action taken to remove all personnel from the ice.
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Post by The Anean Star Empire on Feb 14, 2011 13:25:54 GMT -5
Per Zagckza Treaty, circa 1951: "Under no circumstances will a militarization of the south pole be tolerated except by an allied force with the permission of the Secretary Tajir or the Apparateur."Item 218: Continuation of the Kolvanhage Doctrine of 1820If so much as a gun goes off down there: there will be a military action taken to remove all personnel from the ice. Ooooh this could be fun. Of course, I am the guy that'd send a military unit instead of researchers or something.
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Post by Kingdoms of Cal on Feb 14, 2011 15:55:52 GMT -5
That is also what might case SOTO to reform. If nothing else to prevent the antarctic being used as a military location.
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Post by aatuylva on Feb 14, 2011 17:14:00 GMT -5
There are thirty human nations down there KZ. You can go "Oh no Antarctica" all you want, but it's canon (and by canon I mean that since it's on the map of Earth, and the vote we held was that we were ON Earth, then it's there ) and no going 'no USA' etc, because we held a vote about it and settled on an Alt Earth that held the furfed continents, and in order for us to have a completely furry planet, we'd need a name for the world, the continent, and me, Miokalia, and a lot of other people will have to do some serious retcons about everything.
Also the 'no military' thing is recognized by the UN as well, this would just be a culture clash thread with a bunch of scientists and the engineers who tend the vehicles. Unless we all got bored and made a spoof of John Carpenter's Thing, but I doubt that would happen. If we did it in the arctic it would be a bit of a problem, as there is significantly less land up there, there are no furry nations who have joined up yet there that are active, and the rest is in the hands of the UN and Russia etc etc. Also why would I want a base down there? Cal's current state of insanity (and the huge ginormous scrapfields all over Drewn) drive property values into the floor If I wanted to have a presence down there I'd just wait for a new person to want to place a nation down there and I'd get an alliance with them, or something. Also Miokalia I'm pretty sure Cal already has a base there (Probably a research one), and if not, probably submarines skulking around, and a few of the human nations treat their holdings like they do with their own ground, and have light presences (I'll have to re-research that point though) and submarines are found in both arctic circles because the First World Powers like to dick around the ice. [trollface]Also if I wanted to 'harass' the south, all I'd do is wait for one of the bumbling nobles, 'diplomats', or politicians to say something utterly offensive or threaten war (as they are wont to do if they are from the Commonwealth) and have Stidham rage about honor before going on the warpath. It...really isn't that hard to make it look like your fault when you send people in speedoes, or nobles who threaten to genocide other nations, or who seem to like dropping spies and members of the high government from planes into Aatuylva instead of, yaknow, calling up the embassy, or asking to talk to the Governor to arrange transport.[/trollface] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_SystemOf course, if KZ is that bent out of shape about it, I suppose we should all bug Tinis again so he can repost the poll with only two choices... 1. It is Earth (plus furfed continent and whatever technobabble is required to allow for that) 2. It is NOT Earth, in which case it, the continent, and the sub-continents all need names and Miokalia, me, Aluez, Anea, Suikodan (If he ever gets back), possibly Tinis, and all the new people will have to do a massive retcon in every thread to remove all mentions and traces OF planet Earth. Note: The retcon dealie also counts for your strange anti-human thingamajig. I'm pretty sure me, Anea, Aluez, Holmbergsvania, and Cal aren't going to erase significant portions of our population just to make you feel better. The NEDC base is going to be nonmilitary, btw, so stop your freaking out, it's making me think you're USSR levels of paranoid. Edit: I wrote this while miffed about something else, sorry
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Post by Killer Zoids on Feb 14, 2011 20:29:42 GMT -5
Anyone ever hear of the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis ?? I wouldn't put it past you guys to use it as more than just research, thats all I'm saying. I dont trust ya. Exactly what I was talking about. So long as there are cross-boundary treaties among EVERY nation that shares the area, pretty much as soon as you pull something down there, you're done for.. by everyone else. Then I'll onboard with this idea. Just weird, why would your nations, who seem more concerned about war and sh*t care about doing research?
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Post by The Anean Star Empire on Feb 14, 2011 20:53:35 GMT -5
Well, in my case, we're aliens so finding out more about this planet is always useful. Especially for WORLD DOMINATION. Kidding. And sorry if we're a little more military centered than you and that breaks the pro-socialism mold of this region. And you call us intolerant Besides, considering we don't recognize the UN, FurFed Council, NEDC, SOTO (using it as example), and other such international organizations as having power over the Empire, such treaties would be unknown to us.
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Post by aatuylva on Feb 14, 2011 20:56:26 GMT -5
Because the only reason we care about war is because you lot in the south seem intent on starting one Also Aatuylva IS about science, after all, one of the Confederate members is a Technocracy. Also you have no real right for input about what our nations are or are not because you haven't been here, Holm just got here, and if the Kazians and Miokalians were so gorram worried then you should have posted in BnB or pmed me to start an embassy thread (I refuse to do those silly sign-ups for the embassy, isn't as fun as showing the diplomats around.) Editted for Some Reason or Another: Also shouldn't you be more worried about Cal's space nukes anyway? The only reason Aatuylva would launch wmds is if someone else launched first. Those things above Cal are just waiting to drop out of the sky and hit somebody.
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Holmbergsvania
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Post by Holmbergsvania on Feb 14, 2011 21:11:16 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. Anea's pulling the Switzerland card, and KZ is worried about the base (that I'll be partly in charge of) will be used for military purposes. Oh yeah. Because one of the most hostile regions of the planet is the PERFECT place to put a nuke, forget about the possible concerns with weathering and weather/wind patterns should nuclear fallout be released into the atmosphere! Secondly. Military deployments from this base will not be allowed. (At least from the airfield.) But being a government/supragovernmental instillation, we'd need to use government vehicles to transport supplies, experiments, personnel to and from the station. IF- any of those vehicles were attacked in transit, or if the base came under foreign (not NEDC) occupation, I'd say that's grounds for war. How would a bunch of peaceful scientists pose a threat to any of the Southern nations anyway? Pelt you with Intercontinental Ice Core Missiles? (Sorry if I seemed a tad bit aggressive, just thought I needed to say something about the nature of this base )
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