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Sept 7, 2005 21:15:25 GMT -5
Post by gbwt on Sept 7, 2005 21:15:25 GMT -5
As of late, i have contemplated the necessity of joining the United Nations. I have come to the conclusion that, while it may be a token of good will to other countries, my nation has little to gain by adhering to laws that are irrelevant or disruptive of life within my nation when i can be involved with our own federation where i shall have a greater impact in decision making regarding the best interests of my nation. Within a weeks time, i shall have finalized a decision regarding whether or not the Furry Nation of The Great Big Wet Thing shall remain part of the United Nations.
I ask my fellow nations for their thoughts on this matter.
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Sept 7, 2005 21:58:04 GMT -5
Post by The Union of Tinis on Sept 7, 2005 21:58:04 GMT -5
In principle, the United Nations could be the best thing our world has ever had. In practice, it is far from perfect, but neither is it a plauge upon us all. It is a body of nations that seek to establish rules and codes of conduct. Of course the domain of these rules and codes are highly debated even on the floor of the UN. There have been a number of resolutions that the Union of Tinis strongly disagres with, and others that we are quite in favor for. But none-the-less, The Union of Tinis remains in the UN for three reasons.
The first being that the Furry Federation's UN members have seen fit to make us your delegate to this international body. This of course gives my government both a number of resonpsibilities as well as political rights in the Furry Federation and in the UN. The chairmanship of this council both gives my country high visibility but also requires us to practice moderation on the floor of this chamber, as well as to insure the security of the premissis. But of course, these factors are not applicable to your dilemma.
The second reason is that the United Nations is a dynamic body. It is ever changing and in a meta sense, quite alive. Each member nation makes up a cell of this body and helps steer its direction. Though there are many nations, a good number of which vote on UN resolutions, that does not destroy or eliminate your vote in the body. Sometimes you win on resolutions, other times you loose. But without your voice or ours trying to steer the UN towards a right course, it is more likely to be steered towards a wrong course. So yes, the UN has risks to it, but righteous voices are the only thing that keeps it from going soure and becoming what some call a 'New World Order' intent on dominating not only their own member nations, but those outside of it as well. Or the UN might become an alliance of extreme dictators if all voices of moderation leave. And for several reasons, because absolute dictatorship is abhorred by my people and because such an unholy alliance substantiates a clear threat to our nation, we will continue to participate in the UN and do our best to steer it towards moderation.
Finally, the third reason the Union of Tinis remains in the UN is language. There are very few UN resolutions that actually force a nation to do anything. Often times governments get enthused about the 'urgings' and 'askings' that for a time they fit in with these provisions. But a simple PR campagin later and things are back to normal. Other times its a little more difficult. I'll use the recent passing of a law in Tinis that meets compliance with UN resolution 91 that basically allows our citizens to sell their bodies, something that very few of even the far left in our nation agrees with. This law doesn't outlaw prostitution but makes the health and safety requirements so impossible to meet that prostitution is not a viable economic activity. We did not violate UN rules, yet there are no prostitutes on our streets.
I guess in the end, just remember that the UN is politics. And the only way to work politics is to dive head first and do your best to wrestle it to the ground. In fact, the Union of Tinis has been sending out feelers and have been observing the floor of the UN of late to try to locate potential UN delegates and nations who have similar interests to that of the Furry Federation. It is our hope to slowly build a coalition of enlightened nations who would both encourage good international law and to protect the people of the many nation's right to self determination.
In addition, the Union of Tinis will begin soon to annonce our vote and reasons for such before the council on all UN resolutions. We understand that there will be times when we disagree, but we will do our best to make sure our vote is the right one.
Thank you, and we hope that you consider remaining in the UN.
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Sept 8, 2005 17:42:55 GMT -5
Post by gbwt on Sept 8, 2005 17:42:55 GMT -5
The GBWT representative talks to the Tinis official later on in one of he side halls. "We understand that being part of the UN is a give and take kind of relationship for our country, but right now we can't give any more. And the other countries outside our federation are of little use to us. We've over extended ourselfs with releif efforts in T3H yiffy, and Ciata. with in our own borders, we are getting close to riots. Income tax has been through the roof, and parts of the government are asking for still more. On top of this, with all the ethical and political repercussions from getting involved in Ciata and the fact that we almost fired our space guns, the social atmosphere is ablaze. Crime rates our up, and we're deeply regretting having removed our prisons. at the time, we didn;t need them. Now however." The fox shakes his head. "The point is, we can't afford to offer any type of aid what-so-ever. the way some of the resolutions are worded, yes, we can get around them, but we dont want to risk getting caught in a bind when someone comes up with a really powerful resolution. That's why we're seriously considering backing out of the United Nations and focusing more on internal matters and the Federation."
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Sept 8, 2005 18:21:02 GMT -5
Post by The Union of Tinis on Sept 8, 2005 18:21:02 GMT -5
Waldo nods. "It is indeed a stressful time for many in our federation. Though we are good at hiding our strains, Tinis too may very well be at a cross roads of such. But perhaps there might be a way to compromise. As our council is much more relavent than the UN on our continent and in our federation, perhaps the Furry Federation should seize origional authority in order lessen the burden on your nation.
"Basically a special resolution. Perhaps something along the lines of saying, 'Seeing the increased relavence of the Furry Federation over the United Nations,' ect ect, to set the tone. Then go on and define what areas the UN can and can not impose regulation on in the federation. Some of the world order types in the federation and without might grumble about it, but there is really little they can do about it if we do make it federation policy.
"I know you are far from being alone in grumbling about the UN, but usually they either take it or pursue the option your nation is considering. But as my boss always says, there is always a third option. And I would like to give it to you. And we can give this option to all federation members. So, do you think we can work this deal?"
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Sept 9, 2005 14:29:11 GMT -5
Post by gbwt on Sept 9, 2005 14:29:11 GMT -5
"Actualy, what my government had in mind was this. We remove ourselfs from the worldwide United nations, but mirior some of their desicions within our own federation. That way, we will be able to better tailor our resolutions to ourselfs, as much of the world is not populated by furs such as our selfs..."
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Sept 9, 2005 16:54:21 GMT -5
Post by The Union of Tinis on Sept 9, 2005 16:54:21 GMT -5
"So basically create a furry centric localized version of the UN in our federation? It has risks of course. Some would see even the suggestion of such on the floor as a reason to leave the alliance, assuming their rep is even even in town. Others, myself included, would be over joyed to have certain UN provisions apply to all federation members. We'd have to tread lightly and avoid some of the obvious pit falls that the UN is afflicted with. And very few 'human rights' resolutions actually apply to people such as ourselves anyway in the current UN wording of things." Waldo laughs, "at least our aquatic citizens are free from hunting in international waters.
"I would still like to draft something that gives the Furry Federation first authority when it comes to UN regulations. To plainly state were the UN begins for those of us who are members, where the federation begins, and where national soverignty dominates. I think I'll start penning it later today.
"But as for weather you remain in the UN or not, it is always your government's decision. Though in the interests of keeping the UN from becoming too extermist, Tinis will miss your participation."
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Sept 13, 2005 19:46:44 GMT -5
Post by gbwt on Sept 13, 2005 19:46:44 GMT -5
"This is what my government has proposed. It is something very similer to your own sugestion. We move that all Federation members leave the UN. We, the nations, apoint a scribe, as it were, to watch the United Nations and record their proposed resolutions. We then creat similer votes here, and perhaps have a comittee, or an open forum for discusion and alteration of the resolutions. Granted, it would require more effort on the Federations part, but should everyone partisipate as they should, it would work. The resolutions would better aply to our nations, other nations would not be as intimidated to join a smaller group, and they would be heard more then in the chaos that is the UN discussion hall. This is what my government wishes to do, and plans to put it up for vote shortly."
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Sept 13, 2005 22:59:05 GMT -5
Post by The Union of Tinis on Sept 13, 2005 22:59:05 GMT -5
"I'm afraid Tinis would have to oppose a forced removal of federation members from the UN and we're not likely to abandond our post inside it. But if you go forward with the other parts of your plan seperately, we'll be more than willing to assist you in getting it passed." Waldo gives a half laugh, "of course we'll have to have someone elected to the scribe position. Are you volunteering for a nomination?"
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Sept 14, 2005 17:24:13 GMT -5
Post by gbwt on Sept 14, 2005 17:24:13 GMT -5
"Forced removal has not even crossed our minds, i assure you. We just want to point out that it would be confuseing and troublesome the abide by the UN's overly general or restricting articals, and the ones that would be passed by our own Federation committtee. I supose that either myself, or another official from GBWT will be nominated for the posistion. However, i dont see why another nation can't take the role, should they want it." He looks at his watch. "We had best be back to the chamber. I plan to bring this before the other nations shortly. However, my government has given me permision to alter the proposition where apropriate so that it passes the Fereration vote."
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Sept 14, 2005 18:28:31 GMT -5
Post by The Union of Tinis on Sept 14, 2005 18:28:31 GMT -5
"Fair enough. I look forward to seeing your proposal." Waldo nods, turns, and returns to the council chamber.
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Sept 17, 2005 18:17:12 GMT -5
Post by gbwt on Sept 17, 2005 18:17:12 GMT -5
The GBWT rep, a middle aged male racoon, greets the Tinis rep outside while going out for a breath of fresh air. "I was thinking. Even though there are many nations involved in our federation, their actual involvment between themselfs is quite infrequent, if at all. While some are registered here at our council hall, i've yet to see meny of their representitives even show up. This is what i'm thinking. We have two options at least for how to go about federation voting. We could go by a simple voting majority, where if mor evote yay then nay, the majority wins, regardless of the number of voters. Or we could require any nation with a certian seinority (Say, 8 posts) would have to vote on an issue. We really must do something about the apety of nations tword our federation you know..."
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Sept 17, 2005 20:31:34 GMT -5
Post by The Union of Tinis on Sept 17, 2005 20:31:34 GMT -5
Waldo listens as the two raccoons stroll around the lush grounds outside the council hall.
After a pause he responds, "The only votes that require a majority of federation members voting yes to get things moving are votes for having the entire federation go to war against a nation. All others are simple fifty percent votes. It does make it difficult to get the entire federation's military might moving in one direction, but I personally see that as a good thing. Don't want a minority of the federation dictating which nations should live or die.
"But you do have a point about apathy. If a majority of the federation is ignorant of what is going on here, how can we expect them to comply with the council's rules? Telegrams are ignored, broadcasts as well. Its almost silly. It would be if there weren't lives at steak from time to time. But I don't think changing the voting rules at this point would help. It might even scare off the few who get around to having full time reps here. If we got a good chunk of the federation properly representative then it might be prudent to instil rules for gaining a seat at the council and a vote. But I don't think we're large enough yet for that."
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