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Post by The Union of Tinis on May 6, 2010 1:11:38 GMT -5
Previously the assumption has been that the planet we're hanging out on is 'Earth', but really not much the one we all know below our feet. But a planet that was roughly divided between the continent where our actions take place and some other nebulous continents that may have followed a history similar to that of real world Earth's, but with probably a few important differences to make things make sense. Of course those details of the changes are not really important and typically the rest of the world has been used as a foil to the Furry Federation and not much else. The human dominated lands either ignored or shunned the furrier lands and vise versa for what ever reason you like and so interaction was rare. But it did open the possibility of interaction with other regions from nation states.
However... in the current state of things perhaps we should decide if this 'Earth' is supposed to replace real world Earth. And if we want to keep the human centric foil NPC continents that are mostly ignored other than for color.
I would like to hear some people's thoughts. I know some people were wanting to use relations with equivalent nations to those from real Earth for character backgrounds and such, but it would be nice to have a hard idea of what is going down to be sure we're on the same page.
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Post by Nova25 on May 6, 2010 13:32:40 GMT -5
From what I can think of... I will list some of my thoughts regarding this situation, some ideas and maybe some things to support those ideas or to launch new ideas... In case it inspires someone an interesting idea... -This planet isn't Earth or an alternative Earth The geography is much too far from Earth... This goes with the % of water VS landmass surface... I know it could just be an alternative Earth, where the Earth just didn't formed like ours, but there's Anthros on this planet... This add a new factor, the Evolution Path... -New planet, but relatively same development patterns Yes, why not ? Another planet ''similar to Earth, but not Earth'' would mean : Different planet formation ( water/land % ), different evolution paths (Furries, which are just evolved animals, just like humans are evolved apes)... The technologies... Fire is fire and so, we discover techs like any species from any other planets... but with all the different species we have, this can cause some to be more or less advanced than other or to have followed a path slightly different than the rest... ...So... A new planet, which would be not Earth or an alternative Earth... would allow people to be more flexible in their choices for their Nation... We evolved and discovered things, but even if they can be similar (due to the fact that WE, for real, are from Earth and so we think of things in the Earth Way), they aren't forced to be too much similar since it would not be Earth. * I hope it's clear enough to be understood and that I didn't side tracked too much... Lots of ideas I have, Mmmh !  * |
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Post by The Union of Tinis on May 6, 2010 23:57:28 GMT -5
Interesting note, the continent is around the size of Asia as is. If where ever we are is around the same size of RL Earth that's a pretty big chunk of land. If its alternative Earth, alternative Earth could be bigger by a factor needed to have our continent or else everywhere else is smaller or lacking certain regions ('What is this Sahara desert you keep talking about?')
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Post by Nova25 on May 7, 2010 1:01:06 GMT -5
('What is this Sahara desert you keep talking about?') Wait What ? Hummm... If you read what I wrote, you will see that there's no mentions whatsoever of anything near the words ''Desert'' and ''Sahara''... Just pointing something... Also... ''the continent is around the size of Asia'' ?? ...On the map, there's more or less ONE GIANT SUPER-CONTINENT ! (and a few big islands)... which means that we have ''mostly'' 1 continent on the planet and if the map isn't a ''World Map'' then what is it ? |
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Post by The Union of Tinis on May 7, 2010 2:55:05 GMT -5
I get the continent size from that scale I put on the map ages ago. If our planet has one continent it might make sense to change the scale a bit else it would be a world 90% covered in water. Or to make the planet explicitly smaller than Earth.
The joke about the sahara desert was in reference to a possible alternative Earth where large geographical areas were removed to make way for our continent. (The bit about it lacking certain regions)
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Post by Nova25 on May 7, 2010 11:39:24 GMT -5
I get the continent size from that scale I put on the map ages ago. If our planet has one continent it might make sense to change the scale a bit else it would be a world 90% covered in water. Or to make the planet explicitly smaller than Earth. Sorry, but... Don't take it personal, when I say that I have a hard time understanding your logic here... SUPER-continent = 1 MAIN continent on the ENTIRE planet... You say = Size of Asia... I say = What ?! You know that being ONE continent DOESN'T mean it has to be the size of a ordinary continent, right ? You seem to imply that this SUPER-continent is only one TINY thing on this world........ Wasn't the map a WORLD MAP ? There's more than dozens of dozens of theories to support the fact that, whatever the size of the planet, it's possible to have a planet composed of ONLY 1 main SUPER-continent... Also... 90% of water ?! From what we can see of the ''WORLD'' map... it's more like 75-80% of land and 20-25% of water... A scenario easy to believe... So, no need to make the planet larger OR smaller, since the ''1 main super-continent'' theory is Easy to Follow... This, enhancing the fact that being a ''different planet'' would make things much easier... Using roughly the same dimension of Earth, without it being an alternative Earth, since 2 planets can be similar WITHOUT being forced to be identical... |
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Post by aatuylva on May 8, 2010 15:03:27 GMT -5
O.o
Now, I've seen the scale on it...and if it is a supercontinent, that means our planet is really really small.
I've done some rough measuring with the scale provided on the map, which is kinda small, you have to zoom in on it near the bottom...
And the visible map is roughly 10,000 by 11,500 miles, give or take fifty or so. I didn't have a ruler x.x
That would make our planet, if it's a super continent, roughly half the size of Earth, who's equator circumference is 24,902 miles.
Also, I do believe his whole reference about the Sahara was a joke.
Cuz you know, if on an alternate Earth, to make room for us, we'd get rid of Africa.
Or another continent, whichever. So, no Sahara xP
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Post by Nova25 on May 8, 2010 17:45:22 GMT -5
Now, I've seen the scale on it...and if it is a super-continent, that means our planet is really really small. I've done some rough measuring with the scale provided on the map, which is kinda small, you have to zoom in on it near the bottom... And the visible map is roughly 10,000 by 11,500 miles, give or take fifty or so. I didn't have a ruler x.x That would make our planet, if it's a super continent, roughly half the size of Earth, who's equator circumference is 24,902 miles. Ok.... oookk.... Time for some measurements and numbers... I have precisely (I like precision, you can trust me on that one ) measured the equator of the ''map'' and it's : -12000 Miles OR 19300 Km (about 11 950 Miles and 19 308 Km, but 12000 Miles and 19300 Km are much easier to remember). So, yes we can say it's Half the size of this OTHER planet named Earth... IF, and ONLY IF, this map is the WORLD map... Which seems less and less probable now... So... TWO POSSIBLE CHOICES :-This map is the complete WORLD map, which means that our planet is 12000 Miles large and half the size of Earth... This is possible to have a planet with life that size, but not by much... We would be more like a moon around a bigger planet (Is it something that PEOPLE would be interested in ?)-This map is the map of what is habitable of our planet, which means that we could just easily say that the planet is in fact twice as big... 24000 Miles... The rest being pure water... This would create a scenario were our planet is similar to that OTHER planet named Earth, when it was one large super-continent. The 2 choices seem interesting and can open some particular doors or theories... EDIT : I did some other measurements and...
The actual map is : 12000 Miles OR 19300 Km (Equatorial) - 11000 Miles OR 17700 Km (Meridional)... and this makes, strangely, The Confederation of Aatuylva, the center of the map (The axis cross there, in that region) |
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Post by aatuylva on May 8, 2010 18:21:26 GMT -5
Soo...the question is, is it a regional map..which is probable..
Or a planet map?
Should we have a vote?
Idk..
Also..this planet, and continent, both desperately need a name.
Especially the region/continent...
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Post by Nova25 on May 8, 2010 21:17:17 GMT -5
I have thought of a really cool name, straight from the great game of Mass Effect... Ferros !If it's not exactly what people want... -Choose one from here : masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Planets (There's a lot of awsome potential names to choose from !) |
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Post by The Union of Tinis on May 8, 2010 21:25:23 GMT -5
I'm kind of neutral about what we want to do at this point, but I'd like to hear from more people about what they're thinking (Miokalia? Anea? Cal? Any of you have input?).
If we're going to go with a different name than Earth for our planet, I'm pretty sure we could come up with original names. However, I can say that Ferros converts to Rayruztilsdif in Pargalonian :-D But that might be a little long.
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Post by aatuylva on May 8, 2010 21:28:00 GMT -5
Heheh.
Iron instead of Earth, eh?
I like ^^
But what about the continent?
I understand every country will have a different name for it, of course, I mean, there are three different ways to say "Earth" that I know of...
But what would the continent be called in history books?
Idk...
Just for the heck of it I'll throw in the names Artuuro, Argos, and Gnosis, for consideration.
(That last one comes from a greek word meaning 'knowledge' heh)
But the Furry Federation of Ferros just rolls off the tongue heheheh...
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Post by Kingdoms of Cal on May 8, 2010 21:49:49 GMT -5
As I never use real world nations, other than a as a joke. I'm happy either way. As for a name...well the commonwealth doesn't agree on a name...heck the commonwealth is still arguing about what it's full name is. But we don't worry too much about it as people tend to know who we are (note the commonwealth only calls it self cal when it is the people from there speaking about it, bit like England in the real world*.)
*Allot of english people call the UK England, but not the people not from there...Now I think about it, I have to be more strict about that. I like the idea that usingthe term Calie to a none mainlander will result in a very annoyed reaction. (Inleef, Teer, Sae and Emass are not Calie. The duchies, Drew and Teu (the largest nation) are.)
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Post by Nova25 on May 8, 2010 23:49:49 GMT -5
Maybe a little thing here... I see that nobody really stated their choice about the Earth VS Other Planet... But from what I can see... or rather from where it seems the conversation is going... The ''Other Planet'' seems to have the ''silent'' approbation ? ...since we are now at deciding how the planet should be called .................................................. So if I can make a Resume : * If all people agree to this* 1) This planet is not Earth or Alternative-reality Earth, but simply another planet. 2) This planet is the same size of Earth (while not being Earth). 3) The map show the MAIN landmass of the planet, some sort of Super-Continent, the rest of the planet being simply water. * Will we be able to reach an agreement on all or most of those points ?* |
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Post by miokalia on May 9, 2010 1:14:56 GMT -5
I actually prefer that the planet be Earth, but only in an implicit sense.
Keeping it vague is a good thing because it means maximum flexibility for everyone.
Being that:
- if someone DOES want to have some kind of interaction with Earth cultures/languages then it makes these interactions actually possible.
and
- if someone DOES NOT want to have these interactions, they don't have to.
My nation's history has some implied interactions with other Earth Nations. (Dealings with Italy and the USSR. The Kuho being on some French and Spanish-colonized islands. Andertol's background story involving the US, etc...)
However, these are mostly background items. But the main argument for vaguely assuming this is on Earth is because it offers more flexibility for explaining cultural influences. Because if we're absolutely not on Earth, then it makes it harder to explain things like: why anyone is using the Roman alphabet, or why we're using Arabic numerals, or why Mr. Frixmatagin drives a Renault Espace, or etc...
I think that that keeping this vaguely an alternative Earth is the most flexible and simplest way to go with this, as it causes the least amount of effort to maintain, and provides a palate of existing, familiar and referrencible cultures and things to integrate if desired. BUT it also does not require us to make any changes to our nations.
As for the name of the continent, I've just been working around naming the whole thing by referring to it as "the continent".
I only refer to my immediate area by name since I've actually given it one. I think it is up to individual nations to name their geographic areas.
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