Post by miokalia on Aug 10, 2007 17:07:09 GMT -5
I agree entirely with Ciata on this matter. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I'm more interested in creating a platform to explore certain sociological things and I'm more interested in interactions between people than those people being reduced to pawns in a RTS game.
I stand by the proposal for an erase-rewind approach to this. There is nothing of worth I would want to salvage from this, as I kinda found it to be my single worst RP ever.
I also stand by it because a lot of us have certain situations which require the absence of an abusable apocalyptic weapons system over our heads.
Ciata, for example, has a very specific situation and very specific internal RP environment which requires isolation from doomsday weapons and satellites overhead.
Plus, there is no other conceivable reaction from some of us. Realistically: people don't feel comfortable with foreign weapons pointed at them. They vote accordingly to whoever promises to remove them. What other possible response could we have to a weapons system overhead with out seriously breaking, nay shattering several characters we've spent time on. For example: "Freedom or die" patriots don't dedicate their lives to a priniciple only to the next day, just kind of not care about a serious violation of that freedom they fought for's security. I didn't even have energy to consider character reactions in this thread, I was too busy seeing that a culture I've worked on a lot of details not being RP-stamped out of existence. How would I finish the other threads? What are the realistic implications of cities of 10 million instantly vanishing?
How many stockmarkets would crash, how many businesses would loose huge amounts of assets or markets? How many people would be stuck overseas only to find out everyone they know back home has ceased to exist?
I prefer to keep threads of such implication seperate from primary ffed cannon. Thus why I've started threads just for speculative realities: Tales of the Past, and Tales of the Future. In those threads, anything can happen, it's the location for possible realities and exploring their implications.
I suggest doing a debut thread which does not involve what is, in realistic international laws, an attack right from the beginning.
Don't give me that argument of 'nothing was fired at first'. As I said in my rp, placing weapons in another nations' territory is an act of aggression, no ifs ands or buts. I can't think of a single country in the world that wouldn't make an effort to remove foreign weapons of mass destruction from their airspace.
Not only that but to assume everyone else's ATC and transportation bureaus wouldn't know about this and let it get this far is unrealistic. Highly unrealistic. It doesn't take supertech to see a cannon launched into space overhead.
Additionally:
You can't spend nothing on education and then have this magical talent pool to support supertech appear out of nowhere.
Even assuming you paid contractors and bought equipment: A space program requires enormous support. thousands of scientists and specialists working with a huge amount of funding to accomplish a goal.
Even then, to accomplish this stuff over time and have it continually develop: it requires a continuous supply of talent pool. More scientists specializing in new areas, the rise of new disciplines. This requires a powerful educational system to produce this talent pool and train the personell.
My nation spends 40% of it's income on education because it *must* to support the supertech I have spent a long time defining and setting rules for. It is costly and it is expensive.
As for realism: this was getting increasingly less so over time:
My next move after those 30 nukes and the CDP device, was the only imaginable choice any of my characters could make while facing the threat of complete annihilation: I was going to have to break the rules I have for my own future stuff, and use the coaxial drive to transport a bunch of Calie nukes over Ixnill.
Thus shattering all those rules and pseudo physics I've adhered to about mass-limits and the fact that shoving a bunch of ICBMs into a plane is NOT even plausible to begin with (They are big, they are heavy).
Though this procedure was about equally plausible as a formiddable computer virus coming from a nation which according to Sunset economy calculator has a literacy rate of 6%.
And what other choice would my characters have? These are people who have indeed fought in wars, wars for freedom and they are damn sure going to protect it, they aren't just going to accept being subjugated by anyone who hangs firepower over their head. They are elected officials and they got where they are because they have courage, valor and patriotism. Probably a lot of other less flag-waving stuff too, but the point is: they don't just fold so easily. That would be breaking characters. So they have to fight.
Of course we RP'd this badly. It was a faulty concept.
Where was this supposed to go? I discussed this at length with other players and it kind of came to my attention the only way to resolve this was to stop.
This is going to be the last time I say: I'm not advocating Ixnill leaving or being kicked out. I think a less destructive start would be the best way to do a debut thread. Do something with your characters, besides giving them an inexplicable and unreasonable hatred for everyone else. Which is all I could assume from the last one. 30 nukes in response to a defense of airspace and a nearby population center cannot just be a knee-jerk reaction, as it was in the thread. Why not start out with something like, "Hey Andertol, I hate you and your flat-chested, hairless, gender-non-specific, artsy fartsy, dinosaur ilk. Go rot and get in mah gas tank.". Rather than, just threatening to wipe an entire people from existence on a whim.
I'm more interested in creating a platform to explore certain sociological things and I'm more interested in interactions between people than those people being reduced to pawns in a RTS game.
I stand by the proposal for an erase-rewind approach to this. There is nothing of worth I would want to salvage from this, as I kinda found it to be my single worst RP ever.
I also stand by it because a lot of us have certain situations which require the absence of an abusable apocalyptic weapons system over our heads.
Ciata, for example, has a very specific situation and very specific internal RP environment which requires isolation from doomsday weapons and satellites overhead.
Plus, there is no other conceivable reaction from some of us. Realistically: people don't feel comfortable with foreign weapons pointed at them. They vote accordingly to whoever promises to remove them. What other possible response could we have to a weapons system overhead with out seriously breaking, nay shattering several characters we've spent time on. For example: "Freedom or die" patriots don't dedicate their lives to a priniciple only to the next day, just kind of not care about a serious violation of that freedom they fought for's security. I didn't even have energy to consider character reactions in this thread, I was too busy seeing that a culture I've worked on a lot of details not being RP-stamped out of existence. How would I finish the other threads? What are the realistic implications of cities of 10 million instantly vanishing?
How many stockmarkets would crash, how many businesses would loose huge amounts of assets or markets? How many people would be stuck overseas only to find out everyone they know back home has ceased to exist?
I prefer to keep threads of such implication seperate from primary ffed cannon. Thus why I've started threads just for speculative realities: Tales of the Past, and Tales of the Future. In those threads, anything can happen, it's the location for possible realities and exploring their implications.
I suggest doing a debut thread which does not involve what is, in realistic international laws, an attack right from the beginning.
Don't give me that argument of 'nothing was fired at first'. As I said in my rp, placing weapons in another nations' territory is an act of aggression, no ifs ands or buts. I can't think of a single country in the world that wouldn't make an effort to remove foreign weapons of mass destruction from their airspace.
Not only that but to assume everyone else's ATC and transportation bureaus wouldn't know about this and let it get this far is unrealistic. Highly unrealistic. It doesn't take supertech to see a cannon launched into space overhead.
Additionally:
You can't spend nothing on education and then have this magical talent pool to support supertech appear out of nowhere.
Even assuming you paid contractors and bought equipment: A space program requires enormous support. thousands of scientists and specialists working with a huge amount of funding to accomplish a goal.
Even then, to accomplish this stuff over time and have it continually develop: it requires a continuous supply of talent pool. More scientists specializing in new areas, the rise of new disciplines. This requires a powerful educational system to produce this talent pool and train the personell.
My nation spends 40% of it's income on education because it *must* to support the supertech I have spent a long time defining and setting rules for. It is costly and it is expensive.
As for realism: this was getting increasingly less so over time:
My next move after those 30 nukes and the CDP device, was the only imaginable choice any of my characters could make while facing the threat of complete annihilation: I was going to have to break the rules I have for my own future stuff, and use the coaxial drive to transport a bunch of Calie nukes over Ixnill.
Thus shattering all those rules and pseudo physics I've adhered to about mass-limits and the fact that shoving a bunch of ICBMs into a plane is NOT even plausible to begin with (They are big, they are heavy).
Though this procedure was about equally plausible as a formiddable computer virus coming from a nation which according to Sunset economy calculator has a literacy rate of 6%.
And what other choice would my characters have? These are people who have indeed fought in wars, wars for freedom and they are damn sure going to protect it, they aren't just going to accept being subjugated by anyone who hangs firepower over their head. They are elected officials and they got where they are because they have courage, valor and patriotism. Probably a lot of other less flag-waving stuff too, but the point is: they don't just fold so easily. That would be breaking characters. So they have to fight.
Of course we RP'd this badly. It was a faulty concept.
Where was this supposed to go? I discussed this at length with other players and it kind of came to my attention the only way to resolve this was to stop.
This is going to be the last time I say: I'm not advocating Ixnill leaving or being kicked out. I think a less destructive start would be the best way to do a debut thread. Do something with your characters, besides giving them an inexplicable and unreasonable hatred for everyone else. Which is all I could assume from the last one. 30 nukes in response to a defense of airspace and a nearby population center cannot just be a knee-jerk reaction, as it was in the thread. Why not start out with something like, "Hey Andertol, I hate you and your flat-chested, hairless, gender-non-specific, artsy fartsy, dinosaur ilk. Go rot and get in mah gas tank.". Rather than, just threatening to wipe an entire people from existence on a whim.