OK I walked this is why

[Kingdoms of Cal]

Right I had enough, we were all guilty to a degree.

One, I figured when we had future tech as a separate thing it would leave mt/pmt then some one pulls star ships. Yeah that is not going to utterly unbalance things.

Before that people have pulled IDing a craft they had not seen. Let's just leave the fact it was stealthy and they had never seen it before.

People pulling in imperturbable armour.

Some one having a leader that had come back to life more often than Daniel Jackson.

Sorry I figured that that would be over as FT was there for them.

Sorry I'm sick of that, hell the teerie are as vulnerable to hi speed lead as anyone. Well and they don't come back to life!

Add to that that my people seem to be the only ones to lose to others, I got sick of this. By anyone I mean anyone except my own people...or people they made up.

I am giving my self a week to calm down...but WTF.

[The Anean Star Empire]

I agree, we're all guilty to a degree and some more than others. Now, I will go down the list on a point by point thing:

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1. I agree about the ships. That should have gone in FT or not have been done at all. There was no place for it.

2. I can't speak for Holm about the spy plane. But stealth isn't always 100% effective either. Unless you're talking about how he called it a Cali plane from the start. That has been edited and has been for a while.

3. As for the armor, since I know what you're talking about, the armor is indestructible - save for the most extreme punishment - but the person within is not. Get a big enough explosion and the person can be turned to mush while the armor is intact. This works well since the armor is expensive as hell so salvaging it is very useful if its owner is killed.

4. IX... well we've kind of chalked it up to, OOCly, him having clones of himself and doing more of a mind switch than a resurrection. Like, he has a mind independent of body. You can kill the body, but not the person.

5. The problem about suddenly having an FT board is that the timelines we'd have made had at least a little bit of FT going on. While I do agree that Aluez bringing in a fleet was excessive, it's not easy to completely separate FT and PMT immediately. The more FT things should be kept to FT though. Things teetering on that could probably be posted at the person's discretion and moved by mods as they see fit. Like UNM is mostly PMT, but it still has elements of FT.

6. As for the Teerie, it's not that they're invincible as much as you tend to dodge explaining them constantly. You give us the basics, but little else when we ask. The best example of that is the situation in B&B. I don't mind odd species - since I have a couple - but at least explain it a little when asked. Especially if it's for a response in a thread.

7. How do you figure you're the only person that loses? I had my colony invaded, affected by civil war, and then protests and corporate occupation. From what I recall, while all this went on you had nothing of the sort since I've been on the forum.

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Now, this could have all been avoided had to just told us what the problems were before you got mad about it and left for a bit.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

1) agreed.

2) it was a sign of something endemic. Well that and you don't just spot a stealth recon craft, you spot something odd. Unless it flew right into the clear area of radar...even non-stealth craft can detect radar and avoid it.

3) erm you don't have material science or anything like it as an ability, it was ft.

4) erm...god tech

5) I still leave a super power that no earth based nation could do squat about.

6) I would have said what they did, but I was never told the poison.

7) To people that the person them selves did not come up with.

additional:

How did a WW2 tech nation get ICBMs in months, it would take months to figure out how to point one the right way even if they were given one, let alone reverse engineer one.

No it wouldn't. I have had to do something dramatic to get your attention.

Note: every reply will result in me adding one more thing that bugged me.

[aatuylva]

May I point out that the Germans invented ballistic missiles during world war 2? The V-2s and such, and alot of current missile technology, is based off of the notes of the Germans, and that in the newspost where I explained how we got them, it was through black market purchases. We only have a handful of the buggers anyway, so why are you complaining? We have fifty. The United States has 1500. More, I think actually. And the fifty that the Aatuylvans have are outdated Cold War models, which go with the tech level that I have always said my people have had, which is late WW2-Cold War.

Note Cold War.

We discussed the poison in irc, you were the one who told me to go ahead with the whole thing because I asked if you would be ok with me showing the darker underbelly of Aatuylva. You said 'ok, kidnap her, but the Cali will probably launch rescue teams'. I said 'I'm ok with that, it'll be fun.'

Then you pull the 'oh she's suddenly half-Teerie' on me, contrary to our irc agreement.

There wouldn't have been any problems after that if you had just explained how any creature could be immune to something they had never encountered before, if you had just talked with Tinis or somebody else to help you word it in such a way that I would have accepted, then we would be fine, but no, you did not, hence I scrapped that plot-point and rewinded in order to push the story forward and focus more on the Tinisians.

Also if you'll notice from the OOC notes in said newspost, it isn't months, it's years, since it happens after the whole Rift scenerio and during the Unity's Flame crisis, which is significantly after that I do believe, at least by the time the Aatuylvans brought it up outside of a newspost. Either way I was going to have them come up later than that but it's rather hard to try and keep my nation alive when people threaten to bomb it out of existence and it can't fight back because your planes fly too high.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

ICBM != Ballistic missile.

It took the US many years to get one that was anywhere near actuate on a stationary target that they knew had been there for a while. Even then it was not that actuate.

They still can't use them on mobile targets...you know they tend to move.

The use of an ICBM on anything that can move is a joke.

[The Anean Star Empire]

2. Call them jumpy if you will. Firing at things that are odd. Hell, my people would do that.

3. And that's another thing you never really explained either. Besides, I don't think a limited use material (i.e. the Plate is not abundant, hard to manufacture, expensive, rarely used due to weight so I don't think that's a tech advantage in the normal sense) could be listed as an advantage just because of all the negative factors attributed to it all for one positive.

4. Not god tech exactly. Well, other than the virtual immortality bit. Otherwise, he's still human in most senses of the word. Can feel pain, emotion, etc. The body can be killed, and it hurts like a sonuvabitch, but he just has a "Try Again" button. And he has only been killed once anyway.

6. Nope, I remember the conversation. Aatu explained what it did and you still said something along the lines of "well they dealt with volcano, so they are immune to it".

7. Okay, since when was there fighting and such that would warrant a loss between nations? Okay, so you lost a spy plane. That's all I can recall from you.

8. About the ICBMs, Aatu isn't a WWII tech nation. He has a lot of stuff from WWII, but he's more 70s-80s I believe. Just a little more... odd.

Note: every reply will result in me adding one more thing that bugged me.

Oh yeah, you're real mature. If there's a god damn laundry list of things, just say it all now. Or are you just coming up with things to complain about off the top of your head?

[aatuylva]

www.usni.org/news-and-features/chinese-kill-weapon
It's not impossible, it's just really hard.
Why are you arguing over something Miokalia has no problem with anyway? It was just Stidham bluffing. Miokalia knew this, I knew this, why are you wharrgarrbling about it?

[Kingdoms of Cal]

note: blatant colution between people and them talking for each other.

2) they still IDed a craft.

3) still not an answer, still FT.

4) it still stands he has didn't more than once.

6) never said what the poison was.

7) I lost a cruiser and a number of destroyers the last time I helped you out. I stand still as the only nation that loses people to other peoples stuff.

8) see top.

9) actually see top.

[aatuylva]

Note: Paranoia in assuming we're working together when each person is only trying to explain their points.

I told you what it was in the irc. I told everyone. I figured that since everyone knew I didn't have to reiterate it in the forums. It's also mentioned several times in OOC postings.

Sometimes people actually want to keep secrets for plot-important reasons, ok?

[The Anean Star Empire]

2. Pic, I'm not going to speak for Holm. I was simply saying my view.

3. That is an answer. Is it FT? A little. But at least it has downsides and such.

4. Okay. Put that in English and a coherent sentence.

6. Yes. He. Did.

7. Okay, well I was thinking between nations, not NPCs of nations against them. In that case, I lost soldiers against Aatu's wraithwolves in BRS. As did Aluez. So no, you don't stand as the only one anymore.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

3) what down side of FT?

4) it still stands he has did it more than once. (small deletion)

6) quote

7) now.

8) IX has hopped galaxies more than one (god tech) and enemies of ASE... not in a one way nature.

[The Anean Star Empire]

3. I just said them before. The Sphereworld Plate is expensive, hard to produce, heavy, and rare. It's not like I am bolting it to everything. It's one thing that uses it and even then the armors are rare.

4. I don't deny that he did.

6. It was said in IRC

7. Why do I have to quote it? Just read the damn thread.

8. I was going to explain the intergalactic transit in UNM, but it hasn't picked up yet.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

9: you have driven off two people.

[aatuylva]

No he hasn't. DRL left because he was either A) Messed up in the head and needed to think, or B) he had milked us for attention all he could, because he's in a dragon-lovers region now.
Edit: Also, is this two as in you + someone else?

[Kingdoms of Cal]

I have heard that the triple A love fest want to kick me out. Well I have been here for years but, if you want I will make my walk permanent. Well I will, as I don't want to be where I am not wanted.


Feel free to worship the ASE empire. I have to say allowing someone in who has a freaking empire in a different galaxy is possibly izzy's worst ever decision. I thought it would be played fair...it wasn't.

ASE is now an impenetrable power, hell he can pull super armor from nowhere, jump galaxies and come back from the dead. Even stargate says that is god level. As for his fan club...actually I can't be bothered with your never questioning attitude. You can't poison a teerie, big questions, but Ix hopping several million light years and coming back from the dead is OK.

Yeah I'm sick of this crap.

I will give up in a week if nothing is done as I don't want to go permanent but fear I will have to.

As for DRL that is a personal view, RP wise he wasn't bad and you may well have the feather in you cap of driving some one that has been in a forum for years soon.

The triple A clique can be proud of that.

PS: IRC IS NOT CANNON!!